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Matija Šuklje

@privsecfoss I would absolutely love to get back to as my main (ideally only) IM, but in time some things made it hard to do so:

- it's extensible and not all clients support all modernly needed extensions - the XEP solves this (on paper/standard level)
- loads of spam - again, tackled by Jabber XEP bundle and clients that fully implement it
- and ultimately, 90% of my contacts there never pop up anymore - network effect problem

@hook
Extensibility is not a reason not to use XMPP.

It's true, not all XMPP software supports every feature. However we didn't all stop browsing the web because Internet Explorer 6 doesn't support HTML5 🙂

There is plenty of modern XMPP software to choose from, and if you don't want to choose, Snikket is a great place to start (in my humble opinion - I work on that project).
@privsecfoss

@mattj, you are totally right re extensibility & I probably worded that a bit awkwardly (I blame jetlag).

I guess my gist would be:
• XMPP is amazing, but also complex
• complexity ⇒ many clients
• small(ish) user base ⇒ not all clients support full Jabber XEP
• ⇒ choice paralysis or bad experience with first choice
• ⇒ user base stays small(ish)

🐔 & 🥚

IMHO to break out of it, we need critical mass (again).

( using / since 2010: matija.suklje.name/migrating-t )

@privsecfoss

Hook’s Humble HomepageMigrating to XMPP/Jabber (and AIM woes) Alright, so I've decided to finally drop proprietary IM protocols. To some extend because promoting free software and open standards while at the same using proprietary protocols of companies that don't respect your privacy is a bit, well, let's be honest, hypocritic. On the other hand though because I've increasingly …

@hook
I understand. Your points somewhat echo what's written at snikket.org/about/goals/ and snikket.org/blog/products-vs-p . I think we agree on many things.

I just get triggered when these problems turn into reasons not to take action. I migrated my family to XMPP and it's great. Others have done the same.

I didn't ask them to choose clients, I just sent them an invitation link to our self-hosted server. They didn't even need tech support signing up.

My message: don't give up 🙂
@privsecfoss

snikket.orgSnikket GoalsOverview Snikket is an ambitious project to build a new kind of XMPP-based messaging platform. Until now, the XMPP ecosystem has been very fragmented - a collection of projects with a mixture of different designs, terminologies and quality. Diversity is excellent, and the foundation of any healthy ecosystem. But we also need to have some amount of consistency. Snikket aims to provide this consistency, and provide a friendly entrance to the world of XMPP.

@mattj, I guess you’re right.

I’m probably paralysed a bit due to my main XMPP server being (someone else’s) small instance that’s not very maintained (can’t blame them) and every time I log in I’m literally greeted with hundreds (thousands?) of spam invites and messages.

I should probably migrate to a more active server. Happy to pay/donate for it too.

(I moved my family to , but would prefer , esp. if self-hosting was easy enough for my weak-ass admin skills.)

@privsecfoss

@mattj, thanks. Will look into it.

...still hoping for an XMPP renaissance.

@privsecfoss