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Booting my new #Slimbook into the #EndeavourOS installation liveUSB …here it goooooeeees!! (Wish me luck)
@hook what is your daily driver? Curious about Endavour, really have no life to spare for getting Arch up an running
@escapetofreedom, for the past few years I was using Manjaro, but I tried all sorts of things before.
Some notable ones:
- Slackware – grew up on that late 90’s
- ClarkConnect – my first own server
- Debian
- Gentoo – probably my longest stint, had it even running on an ARM server
- Mageia / Mandriva – great community
- NixOS – I love the concept, but for a daily (KDE) desktop driver, it was too problematic
- Mint
- Kubuntu
- Armbian – on my ARM servers
- Manjaro – did not feel like Arch really
@escapetofreedom, the way I see it:
Gentoo is LFS for those who don’t have time for LFS
Arch is Gentoo for those who don’t have time for Gentoo
EndeavourOS is Arch for those who don’t have time for Arch
@hook that is well said 
@hook@toot.si @escapetofreedom@mastodon.social Having used and installed gentoo for like 15+ years it isn't any harder than anything else. I have a bunch of eye-twitching issues on nearly every linux, but gentoo won't ever break randomly because of apt upgrade unlike some distros.
Also i like the arch docs, but have never used arch itself - maybe a derivative, though.
Never heard of that other one. I really only try to steer people away from Enterprise Linuxes.
@genewitch, since the lowest stage to start from became 3, it has become much easier.
I did run into an odd break after an update that was long over due on Gentoo too, but what sets it apart is that on Gentoo you always could fix it yourself without needing to pull out the backups or reinstalling the system.
I have very fond memories of Gentoo, I just don’t have time for it right now.
@hook@toot.si @escapetofreedom@mastodon.social i decommissioned my last on-site metal gentoo server; I don't really need gentoo here, i use old ubuntu (20.04, even an 18.04 somewhere) because that's what the software I need to work works on. If i ran apt update && apt upgrade on any of my ubuntu machines they wouldn't work anymore, for what i need them for. They're not connected to the internet.
I use only gentoo on public servers, unless they're turnkey and someone signs off on me not having to maintain them.
Also i can guess about when you ran into the gentoo update issue after it was long overdue. Gentoo will "break" on update if you let portage get so far out of date it doesn't recognize the new python versions, which coincidentally (but not correlated) coincides with "stable" kernel major revisions 
@genewitch @hook Debian stable is rock solid, no apt upgrade will break anything. People made whole bunch of semi stable distros on Debian and Ubuntu, leaving the impression that Debian and apt are messy :) I always liked BSDness of Gentoo, speaking of Gentoo
@hook oh well, you're quite a hopper 
I'm on Debian and Debian based distros for like 20 years, looking for something new to try. Arch seems nice, but would like to hear newcomer's experience that is not from archbtw like folks, with all due respect
@escapetofreedom, so far EndeavourOS has been pretty kind to me. I am also getting used to Yay.
I find Pacman’s syntax a bit weird and Pamac seems to have a mind of its own, so Yay seems like a good and common compromise.
I have to say, EndeavourOS installer was super simple and the out-of-the-box experience works fine. But need to polish it myself.
What I (think I will) like about Arch/EndeavourOS is the KISS principle. With Debian etc. I always worry my tweaks will clash with e.g. Debian’s.
@escapetofreedom, long story short: so far it seems EndeavourOS with just a few clicks gives you a fully functioning Arch install with at least some sane defaults.
But also leaves you all the fun of an Arch or Gentoo install of tweaking the living hell out of it, because the distro won’t mess with your set-up and try to force its own preferences onto you.
That means loads of reading though. (Or just keep everything stock/vanilla.)
@hook Thanks! I’d go with Gentoo frankly, I own it that much, but I really have no time to compile stuff from source for every update. That’s how it’s done still right?